<iframe src="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j1mzSPObcsRP5zhNf85oCWHsOxVXdVkV/preview" width="100%" height="80" allow="autoplay"></iframe> looks like it's just you and me girl we'll have our own satsang you can sleep and i'll do all the jibber jab you're so brave to get up at two and to be in all these hot songs we can't help it yeah we can't help it right we're hooked we need more we're thirsty and hungry are we yeah that's why you get up at 2 a.m to be with us in the satsang right somehow it somehow it hooked me yeah how are you doing uh i try every night but then if i have to work like last as it like today i had yeah actually it's last day because it's two o'clock in the morning already so yesterday I was in bed and then I decided no I have to get up at six I'm so sorry I have to fly I can't do it I'm responsible for my passengers no way wow so you're a flight attendant oh wow oh good for you to stay I decided to stay in bed and not to get up yeah good for you you you deserve it hi Flavia yeah yeah wow so you're still working full full blown with uh COVID and everything yes I'm working still working yes oh wow somehow the one door closed and the other doors open so I I fly part-time but I'm translating and doing other stuff for oh wow Oh my goodness. Well, thank you for all your hard work and still dedicated to get up at 2am and to be with us. Hi, Benji. What a day, huh? Amazing. That was a beautiful send off that you did, Benji. Yeah, it was quite an honor. Yeah, it was very well spoken. Thank you for that. Hey, Earl. Hey, I agree, Benji. That was awesome, man. Thanks, Earl. Bob, I'm not sure if you've seen this before. This is the traditional prayer to Patanjali that we would recite before studying the Yoga Sutras in the Bahamas. I've never seen it before. And can we get a copy of it? You can get a copy of it. Tracy, if you just copy it in the chat and then paste it into a Word document, then it's yours. Yeah, I can't. How do we get it in the chat? Is it in there? Yep. I don't know how to attach a file for my desktop in Zoom. It seems to be something Zoom doesn't like. You have to have some kind of integration. You can't do it from your desktop itself. I can send it to you, Tracy, in Facebook if you want. So helpful, Flavia. Thank you, Flavia. There is a tune and I thought maybe we could sing it so that people hear it once because it's nice. Yay. we don't have to what come on dude no what is this all that all that like preview of like well we can't yeah dude please earl teach us here's my frustration I guarantee you it will not be me all right you ready yes everybody this is sarah hi chapter two hi everyone so um we'll sing the sanskrit three times through and um when she says we she means mostly her. I'm going to silently mumble beside her. But I invite you to sing from where you're at. I won't be able to hear you because you'll need to stay on mute so that we don't get like feedback, but it's great to sing along if you can. Yeah. Ready? So within that, you'll notice it's a salute to Patanjali for giving us the fix for impurities of the body, speech and mind. It's kind of cool. Via Ayurveda grammar and yoga. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. One, two, three. Yodhke na cittas yapade na vacham Malam shiriratya chavaryakena Yopakarottam pravaram muninam Patanjalimbranjalira natosni Yogena cittasyapadenavacham Malam sharira syavabhidya kena Yopakaratam pravaram munindam Pathanjalim pranjalira natosni Yogena citta syapadenavacham Malam shri rasyata vajyakena Yo pa karatam pravaram muninam Patanjalim branjalira natosmi Whoa! That was amazing! Man, people don't know what they're missing. right i love you have a good class i'll not go in the other room thank you that was a beautiful duet Tracy I recorded it and I sent it via telegram to your chat so you can pass it on to all the others oh thank you you're sweet you can have it on your phone and can listen to it thank you cool that was awesome girl thank you when i hear it it's always sung in my head by a 55 year old israeli man like a thick accent Hebrew accent sounds great he's a beautiful chanter Swami Saurupananda he's a beautiful chanter all right well not knowing him I somehow prefer Sarah so that worked out for me I mean, you brought it down like three notches, but she still made the average a lot higher. No, I brought it up by 10 notches by getting her involved. Yeah, that's true. I ain't no dummy. Shall we look at some verses? I think so. I mean, why not? We're all in here. Yeah, we flew through verses today. Yeah. Like we went warp speed. I don't even think we'll get through them all, but let's have a look. We started at verse 49. No. No, we didn't. Not even close. We started at verse 46. 46. Would you like me to share a screen today, Earl? That'd be great. Awesome. One second. So, why is he... We just finished talking about samadhi in the previous verse. So, why is he talking about asana? Awesome. Like, why would we go from samadhi to asana? That is seemingly very backwards. Is it something to do with, like, the prana, helping to clear the mind while you're going to sit longer? I think that's true. Maybe you could look at it like that, but there's a simpler answer. well it was like he was doing the niyamas and then connected the ishara pranin dhanami to samadhi so now it's time to get to the next one of the eight which would then be the asana yeah exactly um no no more complex than that we're just now on the third limb right but let's uh let's keep in mind the flow of the text because it gets a little the yamas niyamas get a lot of attention right there's a lot of verses there and then we get to the asanas and there's like three verses totaling maybe 11 words it's like one percent of the text on this limb. So the asanas should be sthira-sukha. People usually refer to that as sthira and sukha. Geshe was like, it's not sthira and sukha, it's sthira-sukha. They should be steady and comfortable, is what a lot of people say. Geshe says they should make you feel sukkha, happy, and that sukkha feeling should be stura, should stay with us. This verse clearly is about meditation. When you really read all of the commentaries and the verses that follow it, and in my humble opinion, you know, like, that's what it's about. Geshe kind of softened it a little bit, as a lot of people comment on it do. Like, you know, maybe it's about the physical asana poses, and it can be applied to the physical asana poses. But at this time period, nobody was talking about physical asana poses. You know, all of the references to asanas, which there aren't many, all refer to meditation poses. So if you look at this text in a historical context, it's clearly asana is meditation. It's the seat for your meditation. Or some poses that aren't linked together that would allow you to sit for longer. Like kustrasana is in an early text. Something like that. So if this isn't about the physical asana poses, where the physical asana poses in the eight limbs? If you accept my argument that this is about the sitting poses, what we think of the asanas, where are they in the eight limbs? Isn't it supposed to be the first five? Well, the first five are yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, prachahara. So those are the outer limbs. But when you think of asanas today, where are they in the eight limbs? No winners. there ain't no whiz we gotta vote for nowhere i have a different vote what's your vote okay well today i think they're definitely in like limit three you know asana people think that that's the physical activity but if we accept your saying that in this case asana in the past was meditation poses then i think we had said earlier in this discussion group that asanas were a spiritual hardship that we had to like get up every day and that we had to like get on the mat and do our practice so verse one of chapter two um yeah it could be there or it could be in the niyamas exactly um that's what i like to say but it's more just because i like to make fun of physical asana practice. That's my favorite answer, but it's probably more like Bob is saying, there's no, there wasn't really a physical asana practice how we think of it 1800 years ago. There was no flowing asana sequences that are, have, if there were, they weren't, if they were and they were written down, they're no longer existing. There's no record of anything like that. Not even close. So should we do them today or is it just some weird inaccurate thing? Um well what do you mean inaccurate? Like do they work? Uh not original not authentic something it's a newfangled idea. Yeah I wouldn't say that just because it's not 2,000 years old it doesn't work. Benji? I think one could make the argument that like external life has become more complicated than ever and so because the first layer of our reality is maybe a little bit more complicated then the inner winds are a little bit more disturbed and so there's asanas that are needed in this time that maybe were not needed at that time. Could be. Maybe we've just progressed and developed new techniques that uh kind of like benji was saying like maybe those new techniques are more suited because we have a sedentary more sedentary lifestyle but maybe we've just progressed in our understanding of physical anatomy and i think you could posit different ideas so you could put in this five yaya then no how so self-study so like I've learned a lot about myself in asana personally yeah you could make that you could make that um you could make that argument it doesn't fit the word very well though you'd have to relate the word asana to that Anyway, something to think about. And I think the common... I don't think there's a problem relating it to asanas. We should just understand that it's not, it's probably not the original meaning. can be helpful to talk about asanas being steady, being sukkha and sthira, but it's probably not what what we think of asanas is probably not what Patanjali was talking about. So we can apply it. It's helpful. It kind of blows me away because when I think of asanas and physical practice and yoga, and yet Geshe-la, when he was in the monastery, like it was so secret and ancient like it was like it took them what 20 years before they could do the actual asanas the like the physical practice so like where Patanjali is going with the asana and it's only like a small small percentage of the book there's got to be a reason behind it because it has to be important or why would Geshe will be saying like it's so important to do the physical practice too on a daily practice you know yeah I think the the asana practices in the monastery are also not like we think of them. That's not, don't think when Geshe was talking about those, they're the same. They're not. There's no upward dog and downward dog and vinyasas and surya namaskars. That's not the monastic yoga that they're talking about. But I think what people have found is that it's an effective way of moving the energy in your body. that's helpful and conducive towards spiritual goals. So great. You know, in the 18th, in the 19th century, what I mean, we're allowed to come up with new methodologies in the 19th century. That's OK. Good for us. We are less focused also. We need we need to do more to focus less. So maybe this is the tool that we have now to use our body to put the mind in a more quiet place. Yeah. That wasn't needed 1,500 years ago. Yeah. I think that reflects what Benji was saying and what somebody else said, what Dulce wrote in. I think all of that can be true. So verse 46 is taken to be an instruction on the proper method for sitting. How should we sit? How should the asana be? It should be styrasukha. And then the next verse, 47, is the means for perfecting the asanas. So it goes from, like, what's the method? stirosukha what's the means like how do we do it we should have prayatna effort and we should have shaitalia we should have relaxation and again there's different ways people have interpreted that you could read it as a balance of effort and relaxation or a relaxation of effort and commentators tend to uh it's funny in the previous verse Geshe-la combined them and in this verse he didn't he separated them out in this verse he's like prayatna it's prayatna and shaitalia the previous verse was no no those two go together but here he's saying no they're they're separate and there's lots of commentaries that read it both ways so is it effort and relaxation or a relaxation of effort and some of the commentators talk about you know sometimes sanskrit can be read both ways and it's right and it's meant to be written it's meant to be interpreted both ways so a relaxation of effort And I think Baba Hari Das, I think he talks about it like that's an instruction for different practitioners. An advanced practitioner tends to use too much effort and needs to relax. A beginning meditation practitioner is slack and they need to up the effort. So there's a balance of relaxation and effort depending on where we are in our practice. Also, I think we could think of it as a balance of relaxation and effort depending on what's going on in the meditation. Are we tense? Then we need to relax the effort. Are we falling asleep? Then we need to balance the relaxation and effort. So there's this, yeah, like an ebb and a flow. It's like a description of how we make the micro adjustments of the driving our meditation practice. And then it says, ananta. Ananta samapidiyam, samapati byam. So samapati is one of the many words from meditation. Ananta is endless. So Geshe was translated as endless forms of samapati, endless forms of meditation. Other commentators read it as meditating on the infinite. And that's the method. You sit down, you have stirasuka, and then you have to relax your effort because we need to get away from the thinking of the body or the discomfort or pain in the body. And we need to start getting away from the thoughts, the lunch, the hamburger, and whatever two results that can bring. And then to do that, we meditate on the infinite, make the mind infinite to get away from physical or mental discomfort, put our mind on the infinite. So that's a couple of different ways that people have looked at the verse. And then the third verse is, it's the benefit. It's like what happens if we're able to master asana? So there's a method, a means, and a mastery. And he follows that format with pranayama also. So if we get really good at asana, what happens? then we're no longer harassed by duality or the pairs of opposites. And Gisela talks about that as getting away from thinking there's a self-existent me and a self-existent mind. There's a me here and a you there, and the two are totally independent instead of interdependent. And some of the other commentators take it more kind of mundanely, the opposites of hot and cold. So physically, it's the opposites of hot and cold. If we're meditating on the infinite, we're not going to be lost in the simple pains of the knee or the joints or the back. Like we get beyond the physical sensations. And then also the pairs of opposites mentally, like the joy and sorrow. So if we're meditating on the object clearly on the infinite or whatever object we have, then we're not distressed by what the person said to us this morning or what's going on tomorrow in my day or the joy or the sorrows of life. You know, it's interesting about that, Earl. At least to me. is uh you know geshla makes a big point of it of like you're allowed to like things and you're allowed to dislike things and a lot of people at least the way that he presents it not that i have many you know many miles under my tires of hearing other people's interpretations but they say you're not supposed to like things you're not supposed to dislike things it's interesting to take that kind of divanda uh or divanda and then take it to his interpretation which is it's the ignorant liking and the ignorant disliking so it's like the ignorance no longer harasses you yeah so it's not like the heart of the cold it's the ignorant liking of the comfort or the ignorant disliking of the discomfort yeah it's a much deeper interpretation right yeah it's cool feels yeah feels deeper Any other thoughts on those three? I want to echo Bob's phrase that I like. In a certain way, when you say, I don't know, it always feels like, well, it feels now that when we say you should not like things and you should not like things, you should not not like things. Kind of feels to me like if Nagarjuna was speaking, meaning that it's implicitly making reference to in the wrong way. Like he doesn't even have to qualify it that way. He's just like, catch up, dude. Know that when I say like things, it means ignorant like. Is that what you mean? Yeah, exactly. Come on, wake up, reader. I'm not going to waste my precious Sanskrit words on that. I was blown away with the flow. Oh, sorry. Just a sec. Apparently so was her dog. Sorry, he's a poppy and he barks when he sees his shadow in the window. His reflection. maybe he's seeing something else I don't know um being harassed by the differences yeah I think so he's got two eyes and two I was so blown away today with that because for me I'm still trying to cook it like the whole I just never ever in my life thought that this whole two-two-ness came from the channels and the two ears and the two eyes and two nose and then when you look at how we've never ever had the right perception of seeing and it's like look at what we come into I just there's this this whole other depth of processing all this stuff because it's it's like I don't know how do we escape it it's like two eyes two nose the nostrils the ears the two limbs the two and yet trying to see and to get through this whole duality piece and then the other thing was I remember the first time I heard about this spiritual psych, a schizophrenic, I remember thinking I'm running. I don't want to have anything to do with something that's going to make you be like that. And now hearing this, it's just all starting to make so much sense of the samsara, what we all go through. And yet it's look at her body is causing us the biggest pain. I don't know. I just thought that concept hearing it today for the first time was pretty amazing. I totally blew my mind too Tracy first time I heard that it seems so like obvious and simple but it's like some simultaneously incredibly profound I just want to underline that that great lesson that the little puppy gave us barking at his own shadow yeah right like that was we could I couldn't have did that any differently like that was beautiful yeah his seeds helped us i i remember one debate about the over explaining of a sentence and i can connect it today geshela said the human language it cannot speak in the correct way because we think in positive We don't think in absence. So it was no way to explain emptiness in one verse. So he didn't need to say, this is ignorant liking. He just said liking, because you have to process it, cook it. You have to think about it. You cannot just read it and understand it. Yeah, I thought that was cool too. That language is based on duality. And that's the power of metaphor and the power of poetry. Is it's a method to get beyond that framework of language into something that alludes to something different. koans and metaphor and illusion and poetry music art even the the patanjali verses even you know like those kinds of writings that allude to that or rumi the kinds of things anyway i remember like before i got into any of this kind of study i would always be like dude these people are always talking in paradoxes it makes no sense you know because they're always talking about these opposites but then you but then you start to study you're like wow what deep wisdom is held in a paradox and how else would you explain it oh you can have a sound at all because there would never be a sound at all you're like what you know but then you take it apart you're like oh all right what do we got next master well i i just dropped something in the chat like i love the commentary at the very end of this chapter at this verse where he says when the blocks are freed then getting what you want becomes getting what I want and we are both free because I think it comes back to we're not supposed to not want anything like we're supposed to want stuff but it's just that it's coming from me and how you get it but what is the what does that verse mean to you or that um that line well it takes me to the example of like well today he was doing the like the skit about the donut like i have to give you a donut and if you're eating the donut then that means that i'll be able to eat the donut and it was like all this you know like so to me it's saying you know when you're practicing and you have these blocks that are free when you really see where things are coming from, then like when you get the donut, I get the donut. So we both are, you know, getting what we want. Yeah. I think it, I think it's an important thing because sometimes karma can seem very selfish. Like I'm just being nice so that people will be nice to me, or I'm just being generous. So I'll get more, I'll give a dollar so I can get 10, but it should be seen as more like a win-win like like you're describing like you know you want something great here it is it's not selfish just because i'm gonna get a return on that investment it's just smart it's just reality there's no option it's just the way it is it's not it's not selfish it's just wisdom but it can feel selfish like all these four-step ideas and think of what you want and then think of a plan to get what you want, how to manipulate reality to get what you want. But because that method is through another person, it's beautiful. And it was nice because what you just said is it's nice because in my limited understanding, Geshe has always tackled that selfless debate around karma, saying that you're obviously giving one to get 10, to able to use those 10 to help 100. And then at the same time, you're being the example for others to say, how are you doing this? And then you transmit that knowledge and so it spreads. But I think that what you just said and what Lydia is pointing to, it doing compliments in a nicer, more broader way. Because it's like, there's no way it can be selfish in any direction. And even as the results of what you're going to use if you understand it, what's actually happening when you're doing it. And then what's happening when others catch fully what you're doing. So it's kind of a... It's kind of a... There's no way I can be selfish. And at the same time, many can get trapped thinking that it might be selfish. Right. okay Elsie, I see your comment in the chat here. Yeah, this is definitely a gray area. Especially when Gessler writes earlier in this, or you write somewhere else of like, someone wants a drink, you can either give them a Coca-Cola or like a green drink. But like, what if they love Coca-Cola? You know, is that like the best thing for them? Or you take it like way more dramatic where it's like, if somebody wants something that's going to harm them. and I think that this is where you know one of the one of my favorite words in all of this stuff is skillful means of just like just because somebody asked for something doesn't mean that you necessarily give it to them it's I think that this is part of part of our practice is exploring what that actually looks like and what that means in each unique scenario like deeply at the base of But if it's coming from a state of compassion, compassion is actually flawless. Like it's true compassion is perfect. Now having the ability to understand what is truly compassionate, you know, that's where omniscience comes really in handy. Yeah, like that's where it becomes really convenient to be omniscient. But otherwise, we just got to kind of try our best. Imagine that you could see the whole cascade of the rest of someone's life after this moment. Was this something that helped them or not? If we could actually see that, then we could perfectly give to them. Otherwise, we just got to give it our best shot. And sometimes compassion doesn't look nice. Sometimes it might apparently be something that's a little tough. And that's where your practice comes in handy. and and yet um i would like to add there's like this fine line about um like you're when if you see it if we come back to the selfish way of looking at it that you want to get what you want so in order to get what you want you have to offer what the other person wants and you might think coca-cola is unhealthy or not good but maybe that's what the other person really wants you know and if you give him i don't know an orange juice he will not be getting what he wants and he will be um i don't know not it would not make that that much an impact for them. So I'm just thinking of this example, Gaiselaga, that when people are asking for coffee, even if you like tea, you make a coffee for them in a way that I kind of see it now that when we're giving something and what we're giving, obviously with the exception of it being a gun to go kill someone else and obviously there's exceptions but in in in the in the main in staying in in in a neutral in a neutral way when when we give someone something I've realized in my experience lately that every time that I'm giving something and then I try to align it to what that person really wants. I kind of feel that what I'm really giving that person is hope. Hope that his desires of what he actually wants can materialize for him. And I don't know, I kind of feel that that exchange is really powerful because I kind of see how it's beyond the actual thing that I'm giving him or her, but it's the something deeper, something about the hope of getting something that they wanted and you're taking the time to give them to them. I just wanted to share that. Flora? I, after we learn that we have to give what we want, we also learn that we have to make offerings. Like a higher way of giving is giving offering, understanding that it's an offering, not just an object. And to me, the point of offering is to stop needing. It's not to have. I'm not giving to have. I'm giving to stop my need for things. So you give what you have in that moment, but the intention is stopping the need for things and the understanding that things are going to give you something. That's beautiful. uh i just wanted to reflect on one quick thing about cigarettes because i saw that in the chat uh dulcie was writing about cigarettes i actually had this exact experience over a pack of cigarettes once where it was someone that i loved and uh and they had they had a very unhealthy addiction to opioids and it was this like it was this point where they needed to get clean and get off all substances. And they're like, Hey, can you buy me a pack of cigarettes? I'm like, no, I'm not buying you a pack of cigarettes. I'm doing that for you. Um, you know, and, and then that person got really upset with me. And then somebody who's way wiser than me, um, who cared about that person equally got her the pack of cigarettes. And he said, in the grand scheme of things, keep your relationship with her. If she needs a pack of cigarettes, give her a pack of cigarettes. Because what happened is as I was denying the pack of cigarettes, my relationship with this person was becoming more and more estranged because I couldn't even give her just the smallest comfort. And so I was just, it made me think about the emptiness of the cigarettes. You know, like Alfonso was saying, what if instead I was giving her the hope of relationship instead of cancer sticks? know what what would that experience be like so and then i realized i was just judging her and not giving her the cigarettes so it was just this whole like conundrum over this pack of cigarettes where i dug into this exact you know scenario um and the cigarettes brought us together i don't know and uh you know she's been sober for a long time now so i guess it worked that's cool yeah it's kind of like your metaphor of the train we were talking about today you got to get on the train to stop it first can't get people to go from 100 to zero immediately let's go for means um again i have to go in four minutes so i'll leave with a challenge the next verses are on pranayama so i didn't get enough of a chance to prep but verses 49 and 50 are meant to relate to the practice of pranayama. Verse 51, the perfection of pranayama. And verse 52 and 53, the result of pranayama. So maybe you could see if those make sense with Geshe-la's translation. That's like the more of like the samkhya perspective on what those verses are. So it might be interesting to see verse 49 and 50, the practice, verse 51, the perfection, and 52, 53, the result. Thanks for showing up every, all these evenings. It's been great to have this little community to wrap the day up with and dive deeper and share ideas. And I really appreciate that. Thank you, Earl. And it was sweet finishing it off with a lovely duet. Cool. Chapter three. okay i hope to see awesome nice all right take care oh am i gonna am i gonna kill the meeting again if i leave no lydia's host your host lydia okay i'm leaving take care Alfonso's got it now for those uninitiated it's a heart it's it's it's a very small heart that's why I like it in a close-up but if you're you do two yeah or one big one There we go. All right, let's tell Earl why he was wrong. Well, if we just look at 49, okay, our task was to see if the translation matches the flow of practice, perfection, and result, right? okay well i think 49 is telling us about the practice what do you guys think yep it is so hard to wrap your mind around your breath actually stopping for 10 minutes like that doesn't seem logical that seems rather terrifying actually yeah it's so funny it's like the practice of breathing is not breathing I've actually witnessed it in dolphin therapy in the Bahamas and there's been times where people have gone lengthy periods like that and I thought at some point we were going to have to dive in and pull them out but they had these experiences of whatever so I have seen it happen but it's from a different a whole different perspective i guess whoa well that that checks out because geshla always talks about you know there are other moments where this happens where you're captured in a book or captured in a movie or totally engrossed in something so that's cool also what do i need to be diagnosed with to get dolphin therapy asking for a friend anything and just treat patients and you get dolphin therapy and i have allergies yeah sure sure and in a more subtle way too um in my experience when we're trying to breathe or controlling the breath in any way, the breath doesn't have the same capacity to deepen and nourish. It is when we forget completely about our breath that it has a tendency to deepen profoundly and find this like soothing rhythm. So I like that just to kind of look at it that way. And coming back to the holding of the breath, there's even YouTube videos of these Shoah yogis that go into the sand with one hand out of the sand and then stay under the sound without breath for a couple of days. Check them out. so what's our vote as a team do we do we say this is telling us about the practice yes okay let's go on to 50 okay who wants to see is this what do you guys think this one's about yes it was the steps of the pranayama with watching the breath that geshe went over the seven things to watch right yes yeah so this is about the practice are you counting off the seven bob do you want to okay quick quick review not like intense but what do you want to give one through set one through seven uh outside inside oh angelica did you say something the stage of breath yeah it's the stages uh-huh and then what what bob said it's the outside and the inside uh-huh and the next one is location in the body upper and lower lung we rarely use the lower part of our lung nice the next one is the duration and there we should learn to count our breath with our heartbeat so we should use more heartbeat out than in and inhale is automatically and we do not have to worry about inhale. We have to concentrate more on the exhale. And if you're a good meditator, you can hear your heartbeat in your ear. So this needs a lot of practice, I guess. For me, definitely. The next one is how many counts? Rest, will you hold the pose? normally it should be between 5 and 10 and someone said 8 to 10 i'm not sure and it's nowadays it's the yin yoga and then we have 30 breaths okay yeah they they keep it for seven to eight minutes don't they that's more than 10 breaths yeah at least a couple minutes but you can go pretty long number five is be aware of the volume so do you take a full exhale or inhale number six is the sound of the breath and if you meditate well that the nose hair play a big part you can i was imagining like it's ringing a bell um and seven is most of the poses you breathe through your nose but there are some times when you should use a mouse nice you know the you don't have to inhale thing it's so funny you really don't have to think about it your body for sure will do that but the first time i really experienced that was in kapalabhati because you know kapalabhati you're like you're exhaling very strongly and then if and then when i was first trying to consciously inhale it was like i was tripping over myself it was and i was like oh i don't have to actually work on that part my biology does a pretty good job of making sure i do that part but it's nice not thinking about the inhale because that's how when your breath does stop it stops after an exhale so if you if you're not even thinking about the inhale then you can stay in that place where your breath stops because then you're not like i have to inhale now because then you'll never get to the place where your breath stops you're just like out and then you're my favorite part of this lesson was the like learn to count using your heartbeats because like so much in asana we talk about like how many breaths right we're going to stay here for five breaths and you you know start usually like breathe in breathe out once so we're already there were like off track according to this right but I thought it was really like I don't know really cool to think about our heartbeats versus the actual like breathing in and out and it's interesting for the heartbeats in the sense that traditionally um the poses like I don't know how I learned the poses you should keep them for three minutes every pose It's three minutes. It's more or less the average that it takes for your blood to do an entire circle in your body, to go around and come back to the same place. So to come out of the heart, basically, go around the body and come back to the heart. And that varies. But it would be interesting to go deeper in that, to know how many heartbeats does it take in our body to have a full cycle. I don't know. I'm just taking off. Sorry about that. Okay. So, so far we're with the practice, right? So what's our next thing we're supposed to look out for, guys? perfection okay so we have four verses here to excuse me three verses here together so we're only going to read i think would be like the first sentence and the experience itself what is perfection pranayama what is the perfection i think the perfection is giving up the outside the inside of the experience itself okay okay because i was i don't know the definition so i was like well i wouldn't really know if that's the perfection but if that's the definition then yeah okay i'm going with you bob well in another in another way of interpreting perfection that's been known to be mean that you have perfect wisdom in your action of that thing um and that actually might be that if we applied that understanding to it maybe it was like that's giving up the experience itself of the of splitting the breathing as being something that's separate so to speak the the outside and the inside the experience of breathing itself isn't coming from its own side because that's when your breath stops and you start to freak out or whatever you know if you remember that it's empty that's giving up the experience itself so you can stay in that place when you have your breath will stop just before having some realizations and some very deep experiences so to be in a place where you can give up that experience entirely and not not think that because i breathe because i tap the microphone the sun will come up because i breathe i stay alive you know this is this is the same thing breathing is empty and maybe that's one of the ways of thinking about considering giving up the experience itself okay so this one is the one that's tied in with the 10 minutes of stopped breath and that's why the outside inside and what you just said i don't know what do you guys say i think yay i want to figure out this next sentence because it sounds hella cool and then one can destroy the veil that covers the light I've been waiting this entire this was the one verse that I wanted Geshe-le to cover and he did not cover it I was like all of chapter two this is the one that I wanted to hear him talk about then one can destroy the veil that covers the light what does that mean what do you guys think that means that you're so close you're so close to that moment it's on like the edge and it's like soon as you have it the veil is lifted and it's that thin and it's that that's the way I look at it it's like somebody's just lifted the veil because you've had that moment that experience and you finally see clearly oh dang especially if you if you consider it being like uh like if you if you give up the experience itself that means that you are practicing perfect wisdom it's like you were it's like you're in a state of fog or mist and in in in a in a moment when the breath stops and all that stuff that happens it's like i just see it as it just evaporates and that veil was that mist or fog so could one say and then one can destroy the pink sunglasses that cover the light no because it's when you just notice that you have them on you have to wait seven levels before you can destroy the glasses yeah but i think that's that i mean at least to me like i love that about the pink sunglasses like the first thing is noticing that you even have the sunglasses on So in this case, you are destroying the veil because you have no doubt. You have no doubt that you have the glasses on. You're like, okay, I get it. Like I can't take them off yet. We spent lots of time in other satsangs on that topic. But yeah, I think it's totally like you can destroy the veil of the pink sunglasses. And I mean, this is not coming from me. It's coming from the commentary, but that covers the light. Like, and then he goes on to say that we can, you know, eventually turn our body into light. So it's kind of like we have this like physical thing covering us right now because we have the glasses on. We're all like confused. So you break the veil, you figure out you have the glasses on and then you like emerge as your light body. So I don't know. I love it. Yeah, I love it. And did you guys ever wonder like, why are they pink? Because you know how people talk about wearing rose colored lenses? And it's like, why did they pick pink? Probably because it's a lot more fun to talk about pink sunglasses. Hey, I just copied and pasted from the commentary. Or we have destroyed the very thoughts and wins that create the veil. So here he actually does define the veil. Thank you, Lydia. I don't know why I didn't look at this freaking commentary, but I didn't. The veil of the great mistake, which is turning things around. I did, yeah. Pink sunglasses. Awesome. um can i share hi um so i go into work tomorrow to hang out with the kids right and so like my whole perception right now is like my experience there and at trails we call it um a peak a peak experience is that basically we spend all week together and when you start hanging out with these 10 kids who have a lot of misunderstanding like they're just escalated all the time and so the pranayama for me is usually just like we call it wusa like we woo you know and it's just like a slight inhale exhale and you just you remember where you are and what you're doing and that like we are escalated and now we can just like see it and the veil does come up and then these like peak experiences it's like the way that wilderness therapy tends to work, the way that the tapas tend to work in the difficult spiritual practice is that you get stripped away of everything. It's you and your behavior out in the middle of nowhere. And you're climbing this mountain and you're crying and you're upset. And you're just like, you have this moment to woosah, you take an inhale and exhale, you see your behavior and the veil is just like lifted up from them. And in this moment, it's like all of a sudden they see it and they have a clear mind to now focus. And then they start to regulate. And I feel like then this comes into the next chapter, which is the mind is fit for focus. You know, like it's not that they've taken off the pink sunglasses. I think it's in this peak experience, they realize that the pink sunglasses are on. And now we actually can sit down and do the work of, okay, like I see my behavior. I'm still kind of crazy it still comes up but I'm now I'm seeing it like what do I do you know um and I think it's oh that's like what we shoot for and um I don't know there was something else coming up was like um I don't know rapport was kind of coming up for a moment there like our relationship with the kids was like we build rapport I think this was from a previous conversation like we're constantly building rapport to get to see their veil and then eventually help them to see the veil right um but i think that i don't know i've lost that one but i think the veil is seeing that the pink sunglasses are there it's that peak experience where they actually see the behavior directly. Thank you, Benji. It seems to parallel very nicely with the pink sunglasses and seeing the emptiness directly in that moment where you're like, oh, I got the glasses on. Dude, you got to go pick up a whole bunch of sunglasses tonight before you go on your next experience with those kids. I'll try that one. yeah they need less veils I try to just rip them off as many as I can within a week but that one that one's really on there you know would you guys like to close today with like an om and three shanties it's our last satsang of chapter two amazing thank you everyone that's here I wish we could all unmute and sing together and have like, you know, echoey chorus, but I know you guys are doing it at home. So let's exhale completely. Inhale. Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. It's so beautiful for all of you to be here. Namaste to every single one of you. And we'll see you again in the next something here at YSI. Mini course, daily asana, meditation. I don't know. You pick and we'll be here. Bye, everyone. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Nini. There you go. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. You cross them. Okay. It's like that. Opposite. Turn it. Uh-huh. Oh. The little heart. Yeah. It takes a little finesse. I'll practice it until we get to our next class. Okay. Bye, y'all. Bye. See ya. Bye. Bye.