<iframe src="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KRzOpWti1geGq-BuPh02SdhIxefMmKpC/preview" width="100%" height="80" allow="autoplay"></iframe> Hi, welcome back. And thank you, Lydia, for the introduction. And thank you for all the hard work you guys are doing to make this all fun. We didn't finish the homework from yesterday, and we're going to keep going through it. And we were talking about dividing all the things in the world in a couple of different ways. And it's not something we normally think about, but it helps you to see through the illusion and to reach real happiness, which is the goal of yoga, and to stop your vertis, right? To stop making things weird. So we talked yesterday about a basic division that we can make between things that change and things that don't change. And it's not something we usually think about, but you have to start thinking about it if you really want to break this illusion, okay? Everything we do in our whole life, everything, going to the bathroom, breathing, it's infected with this wrong idea. And I keep thinking of sitting in a movie with a young child and the movie has some bad guy hurting somebody. And the child, you know, jumps up from the seat and runs down the aisle and starts hitting on the movie screen, right? And everything we do, everything, every human activity in your whole life, we are doing exactly that. We are doing the same thing. And everything we're doing is like hitting on a movie screen to try to stop the bad guy who's not even there. not really there okay and and you gotta try to appreciate how big the problem is how often do you make a mistake a big mistake about how things are working and it's all the time you you never not doing that okay uh so we have to think we have to start dividing things into things that change moment to moment and then a few things that don't change and of the things that don't change moment to moment some of them are useful and some of them are not so useful okay and I'll never forget you know I was in a class just like you're in a class now and I spent I don't know over 20 years on these very uncomfortable wooden folding chairs like torture chairs in in my teacher's class and uh there was about 10 of us or 12 of us and uh there was one guy named Art whose whose Asian languages were much better than mine in fact when he used to get angry he would curse in in languages in tibetan and uh perfectly and then the teacher would say where did you learn that and say i don't know you know i don't know he had some real uh strange connection with his past life and he even started to look like my teacher he grew a mole on his face where my teacher had a mole on So it was kind of weird, but I was definitely jealous of him. And everything he said in class, I was trying to find something wrong with it. Maybe you guys are similar with somebody else in the class, but I'm just telling you it's a waste of time, but it doesn't seem to do any good. So anyway, one day he would interrupt the teacher and I would fault him for interrupting the teacher, which is, you know, against all the rules. of etiquette, ancient Asian etiquette. But his questions were always really good. And that really upset me. And so he said, he said, Rinpoche. And he's like, what? And he says, what did he say? He said, yeah, he said, are all unchanging things, absences, negatives, are all unchanging things, negatives and Rinpoche kind of goes like yeah they are you know and I was like shocked you know because I thought there must be something wrong with that but there wasn't okay so think you know you might want to think about it it's going to help you see unchanging things but there's no unchanging thing that's a positive thing in in the high school okay all right so we we got over the And mainly, when you take it to the kitchen, what's the unchanging thing in the kitchen? What's the main one? What's the most important one? The husband you think is there, is not there. Yeah, the husband you think is there, is not there and never will be there. And more importantly, like the mouse in the room, he can't be halfway there or 10% there. It's not possible. he's either there or he's not there either there do exist husbands who are i didn't do anything or there don't exist husbands and there's no other choice there's no middle middle there's no halfway okay like that uh then we got into we're gonna get into another uh division but let's go to the verse i'm i'm working on 19 and 20 of chapter two okay and it talks about phases or parvani right which are phases that things different phases that that things can exhibit and he gives four choices two sets of two he says differentiated or undifferentiated bishisha say bishisha or Abhisheysha Abhisheysha or Abhisheysha I'm working on the Medicine Buddha nowadays and the title has Vhisheysha in it for $300 nevermind it means sometimes it means detailed and in the Medicine Buddha Sitra it means detailed account of the past prayers of the seven uh guys the seven enlightened beings okay so vishesha means special or divided or different from one another okay and and obviously there are things that there are examples where things are different from each other and there's examples where things are not different from each other so i'm different from kani i'm looking at kani i'm not i would never wear these pants for example. I just couldn't. I wouldn't look so good in them. You look great in them, but I wouldn't look so good in them. So we must be different on one level. By the way, they are skin tight with beautiful flowers on them, but it's just not something I could wear and still get away with it. So we are different. In that sense, we are not the same. Okay. And then in some senses, we are the same. We're both humans. We're still alive. You know, things like that. In some ways, we are the same. But then he goes deeper. He says some things are Lingamatra and some things are Alinga. Say Lingamatra. And Alinga. So Linga is famous in India because there are some religions that worship a statue of a human phallus, and that's called linga, or it's called the sign. In ancient languages, the sign of your sex, male or female, is called linga. And so linga means sign. And then some things are signs, just signs, and some things are beyond all signs. Okay, so that's important. Linga or a linga. Lingamatra or linga. Okay, so is it longa or matra? Matra. Matra, longa. Lingamatra, like chitta matra, which is? Mind only. Okay, so lingamatra means only signs. Okay, and that refers to our normal reality. In the case of a pot on the stove, when you're thinking about a pot on the stove, the way you're perceiving it is that there are colors and shapes and nothing more outside, nothing more out there. It's just silver color and round shape and a black color, which is a straight shape, which is the handle, right? But it's not a handle. It's just black and straight. The only things your eye can detect is shape and color. Your eye cannot make decisions about what a thing is. And you have to understand that. Your eye cannot see a camera or students or a building, cannot. The eye ball can only, the rods and cones in the eye can only see shapes and colors. Everything else is some kind of interpretation. You're laying on it, okay? You can only see shapes and colors. You have to admit that, okay? Your eye cannot see anger or happy, or your eye cannot even see pots and pans. Your eye just sees linga. That's what it means here. Your eye sees indicators of things. Linga, you can say indicators. You can see indicators of things: silver, brown, black, straight. But you do not see pots and pans. It's not possible. your eye cannot do that something else is going on okay so we call normal things lingamatra just indicators of things and different people will see different things from the same indicators okay and that's emptiness okay according to your dependent origination according to your ingo cause and effect according to the seeds you have in your mind, you will interpret, you will make a story out of the same pieces that somebody else is looking at. And that's why some people like Neil Young music, who are intelligent. And then other people's just my roommate in college, he said, turn off that screaming unit. And so he's hearing the same notes that I'm hearing, linga, matur, but he interprets them differently, okay? He hears them differently, okay? And then a linga means the absence of those signs, okay? And that's referring to the direct perception of emptiness, okay? That's where you realize that the signs don't make a particular object from their own side, okay? Your husband's mother, your mother-in-law, thinks he's totally reasonable when he calls you stupid, okay? I mean, sometimes it happens. My mother-in-law is not like that, of course. But, you know, somebody in the world looks at the same yelling person and says, well, finally, he's giving her what she deserves. Okay, all right. So we got, and that, now that leads to a bigger division. Making a division in the world between things that change and things that don't change, making this separation leads to a higher separation, which is called the two realities, okay? And unfortunately, the word for reality in these ancient languages is also the word for truth satya okay so uh people have called it uh the two truths but in english a truth means a statement you know the sky is blue is is a truth you see what i mean and you wouldn't call the sky itself a truth you see what i mean that you see the difference when you say truth about the sky you would say something about the sky it would be a statement the sky is blue but you wouldn't say the sky is truth or something like that no we don't use the word truth like that so it's i think it's it's nice to translate it as reality and even the four truths are four realities they are not four statements they are four phenomena there are four different things that you experience pain and the cause of pain they are not that things are pain that's not the truth it's the pain itself is the truth okay so we maybe want to call it the four realities okay so the world can be divided into two realities okay and One is called deceptive and one is called ultimate. Dundam denpa kun dzog denpa. So deceptive reality is funny, it's lying to you. It's lying to you. And then ultimate reality is what it looks like. It is what it looks like. So the whole world is divided into things that are not what they look like. and then the things that are what they look like. But you have to qualify that statement for $300. Things that are what they look like and things that are not what they look like. But you have to qualify that statement for $300. I'll say it again. The whole world came to be divided into things that are not what they look like and things that are what they look like things that are deceiving you or fooling you or tricking you and then things which are not which can never trick you or fool you okay all all things in the universe are divided into one or the other but there's a caveat you have to qualify it there's a you have to say another sentence after that Cancel the whole thing. We have answers. What did she say? She has an answer online. What did they say? It says to a deceived state of mind. Good. Perfect. Who is that? That was Earl. He won. Earl got 300 bucks. Yay, Earl. Boo, Earl. Okay. Yeah, that's true. Like there are some beings. who don't see two realities, they only see one, they only see the true one, and they aren't fooled. So when you describe the two realities, which here we're calling Lingamatra and Al-Linga, that's only to a person who can be fooled, okay? It's similar to that idea of a movie where you mistake the person on the screen for a real person, and you go down and you hit the person on the screen. You hit the screen because you want to stop the bad man from hurting a dog or something. Okay? The only person in the movie theater who's going to do that, the only person who's going to be fooled in that way is who? Child. A child, a young child. We can call infant. Okay? And in fact, infant is the Sanskrit word, or chuba, right? What is it? Bala? A small child. Only a small child can be fooled by a movie. Only a small child will start to cry, you know, if the guy makes a big face on the movie, because he'll believe that that's real, okay? So we call people who are fooled in the ancient languages. By the way, you cannot say child, they are infants, there's a difference. What's the difference between child and infant? Well, infant is a small child, a young child, you know, less developed than a child. An infant means, what's the common American English derogatory way of saying that? that you're acting like a two-year-old. He's acting like a two-year-old. You know, like maybe if a president were kind of throwing tantrums, we would say, oh, you're acting like a two-year-old. And that's exactly what the word means, okay? So only two-year-olds can be fooled, okay? And we are in that category. Everyone in the world who has not seen ultimate reality directly is a two-year-old, okay? And it doesn't matter if you're 60 something, you're still a two-year-old, okay? All right, and you will react to the world wrong in the same way that a two-year-old does. You will hit the screen. What's the hitting the movie screen in the kitchen? - Yelling back at the husband. - Yeah, you yell back at the husband. You should have weighed Tim Thai off for money. All right, good. Then we go on, verses 21 and 22 are referring to the direct perception of ultimate reality, Alinga. The direct perception of ultimate reality. And it talks about, first about how personal it is. It's very personal to see ultimate reality directly is an ultimately personal experience, okay? You do it, but you can't show it to someone else. It's not possible, okay? You see it always in a state of deep meditation. That's called what? The deep meditation platform. - Yeah. - No, it's just- In general, not in the Ashtanga, shamatha. So you can only see it if you're in deep meditation, which means at that moment, you can't have a conversation with somebody while you're seeing it directly, until you become an enlightened being. You cannot talk to someone at the same time. It's not possible. It's a very personal experience. Can you describe it to someone else? Because they often say juda mepa, say juda mepa. - You're not. - Juda mepa means indescribable. It means ultimate reality, a linga, in this case, is juda mepa. Juda mepa means cannot be described to another person. Yes or no, correct or not? - You have to describe directly. - Well, that's, we're sitting here for day after day trying to describe it. So don't tell me it's a describer. I'll have to retire and go run my cafe finally. Okay. So it's not indescribable. It's describable. But it's not describable in a way that after you describe it, the other person sees it immediately. Okay. That's what indescribable means in the ancient books. Okay. ultimate reality is not describable in a way that after you teach it for 10 minutes, someone sees it directly. That's not possible. Okay. I mean, is it possible or not? Yes. When? Where? Who did it? Yeah, the first teaching on the four truths. The whole audience got to Aria. The five guys, who were they? Tigers? Yeah, Tiger Cubs and Mama Tiger. One was a mama tiger. Okay, all right. Here we go. Then I think it's useful to be able to describe the two parts of that experience. So that experience of ultimate reality in deep meditation. traditionally is divided into two parts. What is that? Nyon-ju and Je-to-bye-she. What does that mean? What do the two mean? There's two parts to that experience. There's two stages to that experience. First you have it, then you have the aftermath. Yeah, the direct experience and then the aftermath. But they are considered together to be the direct experience. Seeing emptiness directly has two distinct stages to it. In the first stage, you perceive it directly. You are in the direct perception of emptiness and you cannot have any other experience. You cannot perceive anything which is not ultimate reality, not possible. You can't be aware of your bottom on the cushion. You cannot be aware of the temperature. You cannot be aware of time passing. Cannot, because time is not an absence. It's changing. You cannot be aware of any changing thing, which also means you can't be aware of yourself, or you can't even be aware that you're having that experience. You're just in the experience. And that's where the misunderstanding that you disappear has come from. You don't disappear. You're sitting there, okay? But you cannot be aware of yourself. And ironically, you cannot say to yourself, I did it. God damn, I did it. Ironically, you don't get credit until afterwards. During the direct perception, you cannot know that you're having the direct perception. It's not possible because that's a changing thing. And ultimate reality is an unchanging thing. And never the two will meet. Never the two will meet. This is an American idiom, right? It's not possible that they would ever overlap. Not possible for a normal person. So why, Geshe-la? Technically, the second part of that experience is not that experience. Technically, when you come out, by the way, what's the first thing you think when you come out? Within a few seconds, what's the first thing you experience? Normal thing. You say, God damn, I did it. I go, damn, I did it. I think I did it, but I'm not sure if I did it. If you think you did it and you're not sure you did it, you definitely did not do it. 100%. 100.00%. If you did it, you know. If you're not sure, you didn't. For sure. I can tell you for sure. One of the experiences that comes during Jeto afterwards is that you know you did it. And you know you know. And the whole world can, and by the way, one of the signs of a degenerate time in the world, one of the signs of a degenerate time in the world is people don't believe people who say they saw it. Okay. And they can make fun of you. They can criticize you. They can ostracize you. They can say terrible things about you, but it doesn't matter. You know, you saw it. And in a way, in that way, you're smarter than everybody in the world. We all think we're smarter than everybody in the world, but on that day, you are. Okay? And it doesn't matter what anyone says to you for the rest of your life. You know, you're sure you saw it. And no one could ever talk you out of it or something. It's not possible. It's totally not possible. Okay? It's like saying you don't have fingers or something. It's okay. All right. All right. We're still on homework four. Sorry, I'm getting there. We finished it. Yay. All right. We talked about indescribable. We're going to go to homework number five. And I'm going to try to finish it today. Let's see. Next, we're talking about, this is an idea of master and servant. I'm on verses 23 to 25, okay? Second chapter, verses 23 to 25, okay? And there's an idea here called swaswaman. Say swa. Swaman. Swaswaman. And there was a word that was popular when I was younger 100 years ago called Swami, which meant an Indian holy person. And in American English, it became almost derogatory. Swami meaning like a fake religious person or something. And it's not. In ancient India, the word swami, which comes from swamin, right? The root word is swamin. When you use it in a sentence, you have to change it to swami. What's another word like that? Yogin and yogi. OK, got it? Say again? Yeah, we had another one earlier in this class. Yeah. No. Anyway, I forget what it was. Anyway, here we have to think about swamin. Say swamin. And swa. So swamin means a master. In Tibet, it's translated as joo, like joo jay, like Lord Atisha, the master. And then swa means mine, what I own. Master and servant, swa swamin. Master and Servant. And Master Patanjali, the Swami, he gets into that. He wants to talk about Sva and Swamen. And the belief in Sva and Swamen is an indication that you have not seen ultimate reality directly. The belief in a Sva and Swamen, Master and Servant, or master, controller, and controlled thing. Controller and controlled thing. The belief in that is a sign that you are a bala. What's a bala? You're a child. What is the child's pose called? Bala. OK, it's kind of an unlucky pose, I guess. I like it, personally. It has another name, which I can't talk about. OK. Should I? No. No, it's bad. That's a secret instruction. All right. So let's talk about this shirt, okay? We were just talking about this shirt. I have one of these shirts, you know? I wear it for all the library classes, and now I'm wearing it for all the yoga sutra classes. We do wash it once every few weeks, okay? Just so you know. and you know it's the kind of a correct color and everything for you know it's it doesn't look like a business shirt and it doesn't look like my normal hippie shirt uh so I wear it for classes and and it's mine you know it's definitely mine if you're hanging up here in in the college everybody knows leave it alone you know don't use it to clean the floor or something it's a Geshe-la's shirt, you know, it's his talking shirt. And I take it off really fast. I don't even unbutton it anymore. Get it off, get it off. But I do think it's mine. Okay, we all, in fact, we all think it's mine. I hope so. And so far, it hasn't disappeared from the college. And but do I really own it? You see, what does it mean to be a Swamin? The shirt is the swap. Okay, The shirt is the on-duh thing, swa, mine. It means mine. OK? There's the swa. And by the way, that swa came into English as sui, through Latin, like suicide means to kill. Side means to kill. Sui means yourself. So swa became sui, or swa in Latin. OK? So all those words start with sui. It means yourself. OK? So the shirt is mine, swa. and Geshe-la is the swamin. He's the owner of the shirt. So Geshe-la, what does it mean? What does it mean to you guys? I'll ask you guys a question. You tell me. What's it mean when you say that's Geshe-la's shirt? Geshe-la is the swamin. Geshe-la is the owner of that shirt. What does it mean? What is it? How does that manifest? That we put in places for you to use. Yeah. What does it mean to say it's Geshe-la? Exactly. I have control over it. I can decide what happens to this shirt. You have to ask me if you want to iron it or wash it finally. You have to talk to Geshe-la, right? Geshe-la decides. Connie comes to me and says, where do you want to hang your shirt, Geshe-la? I said, well, hang it somewhere where I know where it will be tomorrow. I have wandered around the building looking for my shirt. Not from you, but other people. And so what it means to say, I'm the swamin of the shirt. I'm the owner. And then, or I'm the master. And then the shirt is my servant, swa. Own the thing, okay? Now think about that idea, okay? Oh, that's Geshe-la's shirt. Geshe-la owns that shirt. geshla is the owner and the shirt is what he owns why is he the owner he decides what happens to the shirt it's up to geshla he paid for it you know he he acquired it and it's his shirt how do you know how does that manifest he gets to decide what happens to it nobody else can throw out this shirt you know morally they can but they'll get in trouble or i'll be hurt or something okay so i own it why i control it now the idea that you control anything is a sign that it is a linga that you don't understand what we've been talking about for five days okay the idea - that thinking that you can control something. Swaswami. Swaswami. It's chitta vritti. That's what yoga is supposed to stop. Geshla, why is it a chitta vritti? Why is it a weird way of thinking, to think I own it? Why is that weird? I don't have any control over this show. Give me a break. There's a joke in the monastery. that goddamn Geshe-la that shirt's gonna go looking for a new owner the poor shirt what do you mean the poor shirt he's gonna have to go find the new owner why? because you'll die probably the shirt will outlive Geshe-la you own the shirt tell me another joke you own the shirt what? I control it what the shirt gonna go looking for a new owner because you don't control it okay duh all your possessions are like that you don't own them what are you talking about maybe they own you probably you'll die together something you know so that's a sign oh the idea of ownership is a sign that you are not doing yoga you are not doing yoga okay sign that you're doing yoga? Oh, you have a little stomach and you got muscles, you know? That's a sign that you're doing yoga. No, no, no, no, no. The sign that you're doing yoga is you don't believe in swaman anymore, okay? I'm not the owner. How does that manifest? You are more generous, okay? You don't say, "This is my shirt," you know? You touch your shirt, you're in trouble. This is my show. What's the classic, classic yoga sutra example from Toronto? Tim, not Tim Lonehouse. Tim Lonehouse. This is my donut, you know. This is not the old lady's donut. I got here. I bought it. I control it. I'm the swarming of the donut. The sweat donut is mine, you know. The stronger you feel that you own things or you control things, the worse is your yoga. Okay? So in theory, okay, you could be overweight and be a great yogi. Yay! If you understood possessions, if you really understood possessions well, then we can say you're a great yogi now but if you do get overweight uh it affects your prana and then you can't understand it when geshla talks about the shirt okay and that's we have to say that the outer limbs are are important because they help the inner limbs if you maintain a good weight and if you eat a healthy diet you are more likely to remember about the shirt thing that you won't get angry when someone i don't know abuses your shirt uh and then you won't make negative karma okay you won't make negative karma so the more you do asana in a healthy, happy way. Regular, healthy, happy, modest. Don't do weird poses, okay? I don't want to get an email. Gisla, please pray for me during my knee operation. I hate those emails. And I get them every day, okay? So, you know, don't be the next person who needs a knee operation, okay? Take care. Do a nice, sweet, daily, you know, kind of hard practice, and then you'll be healthy, and then your mind will be clear, because your prana is clear, and then you won't go fighting people who take your shirt, okay, because you don't believe in swamen, okay, got it? Nice, right? All right, who's in control? Nobody's in control. Your karma's in control, okay. All right, we finished that concept, which is the first question, you now know the words, right? Swamin, which when it's used in a sentence, the end drops off, okay? We know that. We talked, oh, it is Atman, an Atma, right? Okay, okay. We don't say Gandhi was a Mahatman. We say he was a Mahatma, 'cause that's how they use it in a sentence, okay? All right. All right. Yeah, and after you see directly that you don't own things, once you see directly that that's not true, the absence of really owning things, which is the direct perception of emptiness, okay? What happens afterwards, you know? So your relationship to the things you own is different after you've seen emptiness. You're more informed about that. But I'll ask you, even without training, do you think that after 20-minute experience, a human being will stop thinking the shirt is theirs? Will they suddenly become the most kind and sharing person in the universe? And the answer is no. You have that experience. You realize on an ultimately deep level that you do not own the shirt. Then you come out of that experience and your old habits reassert themselves. And it's important to say that. You're not finished with your path. You're not finished with your journey to life. You know, five minutes after you see emptiness directly because you've been not understanding your shirt for countless billions of years. And now you understood it for 20 minutes. Who's going to win? Who's going to be stronger. And so even a person who comes out of the direct perception of emptiness, the old habits come back within a 65th of a finger snap. Before the finger snaps, before the snapping is finished, your old habits have come back. You woke up out of the emptiness. You came down, actually. and then you're looking around and already you are misunderstanding things again now now here i love this image okay and you got to think about it so some of the oldest stories in western culture are the greek stories of uh which by the way some a lot of them came from Sanskrit. Aesop's fables come from the Hidopadesha, from India. So anyway, but some of our oldest stories are like Ulysses and what's the guy's name, the hero guy? Achilles and Hercules. Yeah, I mean, some of our Western myths, oldest myths are like Ulysses. So Ulysses is some very unusual young guy. And he wants to go find a golden sheepskin, golden fleece. And I don't know. So I guess it's magical or something. I don't remember the story very well. But I do remember one thing. It's a long journey on a boat. And they have to pass the land of the sirens. Okay. And so siren nowadays in English, it means a loud noise, like a police siren. that we, we, we, we, okay. But in the old days, the time of the Greeks, that word referred to some ladies who used to sing songs. And when you hear the song, you lose your mind. You become totally like intoxicated with the song. It's like strong heroin or something. When you hear that song, you will go crazy. And so anyone who heard the song died because they would sing on the beach and the guys on the ships would hear the song and they would turn the ship into the rocks and they would die. And then the sirens would collect all their stuff and swaswaman, that stuff. They would take control of that stuff. And it was a typical thing. But Ulysses, he's the super smart guy. And he says, I want to hear the song of the siren. I want to hear the song of the siren. And he had an idea. And you got to, this is an important story. All my stories are important. You just don't believe me. He said to his men, tie me to the pole, tie me to the mast, the sailing mast. Tie me, tie my hands. And then let's go by the beach where the sirens sing. And you guys all put earplugs in, wax. You put wax in your ears, more wax. And you won't hear anything. And then we won't crash. But I want to know what they sound like. And one more thing, what's that? Don't tie me. Whatever I say for the next half hour, don't do it. okay that's the important part of the story okay whatever i say for the next hour don't do it okay if i scream and you can still hear me through the wax and i say let untie me now we gotta go to the beach don't listen to me okay that's important for this story okay and then they did everything he put they put wax in their ears they rode and he went by the beach and he heard the song and the sirens and he was the only person to ever not die from hearing the songs of the sirens why are we talking about that a person in aria who has seen emptiness directly is jason sorry it was jason yeah i said ulysses oh ulysses was on the same boat jason sorry and the argonauts Okay, why is he similar to an Arya? Yeah, the Arya in Jai Tobiyeshi, after they see emptiness directly, which is forever after that. Well, until they, and that's another story. But they know they're crazy. They know they're wrong. But they cannot immediately stop thinking the sureness there's okay it's too old the habit is too strong okay but they know it's wrong you know do all arias are they perfectly generous people no uh do they know they're not generous yes okay and that's the difference okay they know they're not acting perfect and they don't have any illusions about it, right? They know for sure that they're wrong, but they can't stop it. Okay, so that's called that in this tradition for a thousand dollars, what's the name of that condition? One word for a thousand dollars. What's the name of that life? Conditionation. Cancel the bet. Maya. That's the real meaning of Maya. Who did? Yeah, she dropped it in the chat. Marianne. From Germany? Yeah. Okay, we got to send her a thousand dollars, Ellie. Dang, you're killing me. You guys are killing me. Who's your teachers? Dang, that's not fair. Marianne, congratulations. Thousand dollars, not euros, okay? a thousand dollars good yeah that's called maya you hear this word maya everybody talks about maya illusion that's the illusion that's the only meaning of maya that's the real meaning of maya things look to you they still look to you like they're coming from themselves but you know you're crazy you and and later if you keep going they will stop looking to you like they come from their own side but it doesn't happen so and now i want to tell another story yay how am i doing on time i can tell story yeah sit back children have a coffee i'll tell grandpa will tell you a story so I was sitting in the classroom on those torture chairs they actually had one benefit uh I asked my lama uh can I buy some better chairs he said no well he said no to everything before I asked it but um I said can I get some decent chairs he said no I said why not he says they keep you awake it's so painful they keep you awake I'm sitting on this chair and Rinpoche is going off more and more and more. Oh, everything you see is wrong. Everything you see is wrong. Everything you see is wrong. And I was just getting impatient. You know, I said, I don't get it. In my own mind, I can say I was not like art. Like I never interrupted the teacher. But I would sit there and I'd say, dang, you know, what's it mean, illusion? What's it mean I'm making a mistake all the time? The great mistake, right? Verti, sometimes I translate it as the great mistake, you know. Okay, so I'm doing something wrong, you know, and I'm not seeing things correctly, you know. And I finally, I interrupted Rinpoche. I think I interrupted Rinpoche once, and I interrupted Geshe Tutarrenchen once, and I remember each time, because I couldn't, I had to know, and I just said, wait, stop, you know, and he's like, what, you know, and I said, look, and then we had a classroom door, I built a classroom, I built a two-story building from him, and I paid for it, and I worked for it on years, two years, myself, by myself, mostly. And I built the classroom. And so I'm like pointing to the door, you know, between the existing building and the building I built. And there was a door. And I said, look, is that a door Rinpoche? He says, yeah, it's a door. Do I see it as a door? Yeah, you see it as a door. So am I making some kind of mistake? Is it illusion? I mean, there's door there. We're going to go through the door and have tea in a few minutes during the tea break. What's wrong with the door? I don't understand. What am I doing wrong? And he said, it is a door. That's not wrong. Okay. You can go through the door and get your tea and pee-pee. Good. That's not wrong. That's not illusion. Okay. So what am I doing wrong? What do I just tell me, Just stop all this philosophy. Tell me what I'm doing wrong. He says, you think the door comes from its own side. That's all. It's a door. That's not wrong. It's a door to the T. That's not wrong. More importantly, it's a door to the bathroom. That's not wrong. The door can open. The door can close. That's not wrong. Is it a door? Yes. But you feel that the door is not coming from you. And that's the mistake. That's what, vrti, that's chitta vrti. Okay? And yoga is to nirodha, shut down that way of thinking. It's not wrong to think it's a door. That's not wrong. That's not illusion, okay? What's illusion? If you saw emptiness directly and you came back to sit in the tortured wooden chairs, then when you look at the door, you understand completely that it's coming from you. That's all. Does that shut down the mistakes you make by thinking wrong about the door? Does it, I'll ask you guys, try to think back to the first time you heard Geshe-Law teach the two husbands in the kitchen. Try to think back to the first time you heard Gesa teach about the two husbands in the kitchen. Okay, here we go. Now, starting with that hour of your life, did you never get upset at your wife or husband after that? Yes or no? I'll go further. I will make the assertion that due to the I don't know some kind of stinky thing about karma that it's very likely you had an argument with your wife or husband the night you heard the two husbands there's some kind of karmic purification thing don't think you're special, you're not don't think you're a very terrible person you are but uh it's very common that the karma of hearing the two husbands in the kitchen story when you get home you have a fight with your wife or your husband it's so funny it's so weird cleaning out the some of the seeds it's like when you take a couple roaches out of the general population of roaches, the others get stirred up. You know, like you grab some roaches. Don't, you know, we just, on the way to the college every day, we drop off our roaches at a nice place. We catch them at night and we drop them off. But when you catch some of them, the other ones are like, ah! You know, they're catching our people. Your misunderstandings are just the same. You go to a class, you get a little two husbands in the kitchen. And a few of your clay chefs will be dropped off at the ranger station. They don't get to work until after we're there. And then the rest of them get all shaken up. Don't think you're special. If these classes are making you worse, that's normal. This very famous conversation, "Since you started meditating, do you feel more peaceful?" And the person says, "Actually, no, I feel worse." Many students have accused their teacher of teaching them something wrong because after they started meditating, their mind got worse, more jealous, more angry, more possessive. And then the classic answer is what? You guys should know if you're going to be a teacher. It was always like that. Yeah, it was always like that. You just learned to listen to it. The meditation made you sensitive to who you really are. It's not that you're getting worse, it's that you're listening to your mind for the first time. So don't get discouraged if you learn the two husbands in the kitchen and then you get home and you have a fight. But you should be Jason. Not Ulysses, Jason. You should be Jason. What's that mean? Try yourself to be mad. No, it means you get home, you fight with your husband or your wife, and then as you go to bed, you do your coffee meditation, you can say, well, at least I know why I'm fighting with my, you know, at least I know I'm wrong. I know it's coming from me. Okay. In fact, I like to say there's a time gap. There's a second famous time gap. The most famous time gap we already talked about, right? And that time gap proves that good people don't get bad results. The first time gap explains why some bad people seem to succeed. We talked about that one already. What's the verse for $100? Three words. Yeah, $100 for Bob Serino. Okay, Ellie. Okay. I hope you keep track of all this. I don't want to go to the hell of unpaid Dharma dance. Okay. If you ever won a bet and you didn't get your money, Just talk to Ellie. If you're broke and you need money, write her and say you want a bad man. Okay, anyway. So the first time gap is that one. Okay, that's the most famous time gap. It takes time for karma to ripen. Okay. And the example was depression. You know, don't think that because you understand where the depression is coming from, you won't be depressed today. It doesn't work like that. You have to start taking care of people. You have to start focusing on other people more. And that's the direct antidote for depression. But it doesn't kick in for a while. Okay? It doesn't take effect for a while. Don't give up. Keep doing it. Keep focusing on other people's needs and your depression will go away. Okay? Now, what's the second time gap we're talking about? There's some kind of weird thing where you see emptiness directly or you hear about the two husbands in the kitchen, but you can't do it. You just can't use it. You know it, but you still get upset at your partner. Okay? And you guys all know it. You all did it. I did it. I have taught it. There's been so many days when I taught it. And I went home and I got upset at my party. By the way, we have a sweet, you know, I am a Buddhist practitioner. I am a yogi. I do work at it. But there are misunderstandings. And we all have them. Until the day you become enlightened, you will have this misunderstanding. Okay. All right. But I have to say I'm happier than everybody. Okay. All right, but still not there. I wanted to talk about viveka. It's related to, it sounds like vishesha, right? But viveka is an important Sanskrit word. Vi means like very much, like double. It's in bicycle because it's in the word two. It's why there's a W in the word to, okay? It came from V, V, okay? And Dva in Baruski, in Russian, adin Dva, the V comes from, the V comes from Sanskrit, right? Okay, it comes from V, so V means very much or double. And then Vich, the root Vich means to sift through something or sift through something. So viveka means to distinguish. In hey word, $1,000, tell me this, the Tibetan expression. I hope he's not there. He is here. The Tibetan expression for what he says. Viveka. Viveka. It's an idiom, very strange idiom. Five, four, three, two, one. Cancel the bet. I beat word today. Puri chepa. Say puri chepa. Puri chepa. It means to comb a dog. To comb a dog's, to separate the hairs, to separate, hair splitting, literally hair splitting, okay? Like Viveka, to make a distinction, okay? Yay, I'm going to feel good all day now. Okay. Two words come from Vich and Vekka, which is a vanilla, sorry, Victor, who splits the enemy. Vanilla, because you split the bean to get to the food and vagina because it's a split, it's a cleft. Okay, so Viveka has all those meanings, English cognizant. And there's a famous Swami, Swamin Viveka, who helped start yoga in the United States. And I looked it up, I don't know this, but in 1893, he came to the Chicago Parliament of Religions and started teaching yoga. And probably that's when yoga got started in the United States. His teacher was Ramakrishna. That's a long story. But his name is Purichepa. Don't call me the dog. All right. So you have to, and Master Patanjali is talking about, now you're able to distinguish when you're crazy and when you're not crazy, even if you can't stop being crazy. At least you can distinguish between you're acting crazy, blaming your husband or not acting crazy, understanding it came from your kids, yelling at your kids, understanding that all the troubles in your life are coming from you. Okay. You can understand it and still, and still not act on it. And, and, and that that's what's that path called? What's that process called? yeah habituation you're getting used to the idea that you're doing something wrong but you can't stop it right away you can someone can convince you that your addictions are wrong and we all have addictions i have addictions serious addictions but you can't stop just because they tell you you're addicted yeah i know well stop like i'm trying it's not that easy so seeing blaming your husband or your wife thinking it's their fault is an addiction and it and it takes the lifetime of all addictions take a lifetime of hard work to finish you don't stop your addictions on wednesday and then thursday you don't have them it doesn't work like that you fight them your whole life okay and you lose sometimes and and if you think you're not going to lose sometimes it's not an addiction okay all right uh all right we're on to verses 26 and 27 okay and that's talking about the illusion so you know after this depressing description of addiction why what's a typical addiction thinking it's your husband's fault okay you know i didn't do anything and he's just having a bad day. I mean, how many times did that happen to you with your partner? You know, I love you. I understand you're having a bad day. Please don't inflict it on me. You know, I'm not having a bad day. I was having a good day. And just go stay in the bedroom. And it doesn't work that way. Okay, so Geshe-la, you live in the Maya. You live in the illusion. There's a period after you see reality directly, right? There's a period of dissonance, of dissonance. You know you're wrong, but you can't stop seeing it that way. So that's a weird period in your life. You know you're messed up and you can't stop. And when I taught this one time at a famous yoga center, Sankhya Yoga Center. I went out to the local store. It was, what's that? It's in the Bahamas, the capital. Nassau. I took the ferry into Nassau and I bought all the pink sunglasses in the town. I went from store to store and I bought all the pink sunglasses, pink lens sunglasses. And then at the end of the class, I handed them out. I said, everybody put on your pink sunglasses. It's like 50 pairs of pink sunglasses. It was all the money I had at the time. And I just thought that they'll never forget it. So I said, everybody put on your pink sunglasses. They all put on their sunglasses. And I said, what color am I now? And they said, you're pink. I said, that's Maya. Do you know you're wearing sunglasses? Yeah, I know. Do I still look pink? Yeah. Got it? Okay. Why are you seeing pink? You just give me some pink sunglasses. I'm talking about the glass, not the, you know. And I said, do you understand that you have pink sunglasses on? Yeah, I understand. Do I still look pink? Yes. Okay, that's the period after you see emptiness directly. You know you're doing it, but that doesn't mean Geshe-Law's not pink. He's still pink, okay? But at least you know where it's coming from, okay? And then now the next question, what would be the next question? What's the next natural question you should ask? Yeah, when do you take off the sunglasses? When do you take off the sunglasses? Geshe-la, how long does it take to figure out you got sunglasses on? And then how, you know, by the way, it's the teacher's job at that time is to teach you yoga sutra. And your job is to say, oh, my God, I got pink sunglasses on. Let's just take them off. Okay. Well, how long does that take to take off the sunglasses? 500 years. 490 years. Okay. 490 years. Don't worry. You know, at least there's a limit. At least there is a year when it's 490 years. Okay. Typically. Call it 490 years. You take off the sunglasses. Now what's that like? And that's the next topic covered by Master Patanjali. Okay, he talks about, you know, when do you take the sunglasses off? And he calls it, the destruction, right? You find out about the distinction. Abhi plava hanapaya. Han. You Han. You Han the sunglasses. Strike or kill? You kill them. Okay. What's the root? It's Han. Hin. Han. Yeah, it's Han. English cognate for zero dollars. Gun. Gun. Okay, yeah. Oh, what's the typical form it takes? It's Hin. Like Ahinsa. Ahinsa. Not hurting. Not hurting people. Say again? Hansa. I don't know if that's related. I doubt it, but possibly. Hansa does mean duck. If you wanted to make an airline based on that, you could call it goose in the sky. Lufthansa. Okay. But anyway, I don't know if that's related. We have to check. Maybe it's because they bite people. I don't know. You can check. But anyway, here's the word hun. And the question is, and I got five minutes, when do you hun your sunglasses? When do you destroy the sunglasses? How long does it take? And he says, septadak. Okay, we're on verse 26 and 27. Okay. You see the illusion. You know you have the sunglasses on. How long does it take to smash the sunglasses? Hun. the sunglasses okay how long does it take huh yeah seven lifetimes call it 500 years okay if you don't practice the higher teaching if you don't practice vajrayana diamond way it even if you saw emptiness directly it would still take seven lifetimes now there's another important seven here there's another important seven here okay and actually it's dear to me because it was my geshe topic. They assign you a geshe topic. You know what the debate's going to be about. And then you actually have to write an essay. You have to write a defense in writing before the examination. And it's graded by the Abed and other people. So I had to, my topic was seventh Bodhisattva level. That was my topic. And that's the last level where you are taking off the sunglasses. The day you take them off is eighth level, okay? So seven is important. And Master Patanjali says it in the verse, okay? He says, sapta da. Sapta means seven, okay? And so you carry, yeah, you carry that wisdom of the illusion. You know you're wearing the sunglasses up until the end of the seventh level, okay? Then you become a, then you become, by the way, what is that mark on the bodhisattva track? End of the seventh level. It's Mahayana Nirana, okay? You remove your last major klesha. What is the last major klesha? It's your sunglasses. It's very cool, okay? The ultimate klesha, the worst one, is misunderstanding the world. And when you take that one off, you're done. Now, are you finished? No, okay? You're not finished. You still gotta go through Bodhisattva in level eight, nine, 10, okay? And I think I got a picture, Tim, of a stupa. Is it there somewhere? maybe it's not anyway there's a Chinese stupa oh I'm sorry yeah there you go so it's very typical uh in in ancient China Tang Chow Tang Dynasty I want it was big in the Tang Dynasty to build these towers and actually this this building is called Red Western Tower because there's an eastern tower called the Wild Goose Pagoda, the smaller Wild Goose Pagoda in what's now Xi'an, which used to be Chang'an, which was the end of the Silk Road. It's where the Silk Road ended. You could say the Silk Road started in Venice or something like that, but it went all the way to the capital of the Tang Dynasty, where China reached its peak before the current, before the Communist Revolution. Now, after the socialist revolution, China has reached a kind of economic prosperity like it never reached before. But the last time was Tang Dynasty, okay, call it 600, 700 AD, okay? And it became customary to build these incredible towers. And what's unique, what's important, why am I bringing up this tower right now? I like it 'cause that's where the mixed nuts used to work 1400 years ago. But why am I bringing up this tower now? Yeah, it's traditionally 10 levels. They traditionally build them. I counted, okay, I guess the top is 10. But traditionally they have 10 floors and that's to represent the 10 Bodhisattva levels. So our next class, we're gonna, we're not quite finished with this homework. You guys should be able to do through the fourth question. Okay, the fifth question we didn't cover yet. I'm sorry to get off. I know it's irritating, but it's just the way it goes. When you're online with a bunch of people, you have to decide on time limits 'cause you have to go to work or you have other things to do, okay? But we're gonna talk about Bhoomi, the idea of Bhoomi, okay? of a level, a bodhisattva level, okay? Right, so far, we've gone to the end of the seventh level, which is where you take off the sunglasses forever. You have to say forever, okay? You take them off now and again during the... When do you figure out you have a mind? Which bodhisattva level? The first one, Tim got it right. Wait for the money, wait for the money. I keep telling you. Yeah, the first Bodhisattva level and the direct perception of reality under the influence of Bodhicitta, sem kye ki simba, under the influence of Bodhicitta is the first Bodhisattva level. Seeing emptiness directly, under the influence of Bodhicitta is the first Bodhisattva level. Why do we say under the influence of simba? - In the direct perception of reality. - Nice. During the direct perception of reality, you cannot have love directly in the mind. You cannot have, but your mind, god damn better well be imbued, Simba, by Bodhicitta. It's in the background, okay? It's not direct thought, 'cause if it were, you'd get kicked out of the direct perception of him, got it? So there's a huge debate about how could you have bodhicera? Do bodhisattvas lose their love during the direct perception of impunas? That's the question. And you say no, but it's in the back of their mind, which is called imbued or simba. Then you get in another big debate because bodhicera is said to be tsosen, tsowo, main mind. Not a mental function. It's sosim. Bodhicitta, by definition, is not a mental function. It's the main mind. But then during the direct perception of emptiness, you can't have it manifested. So what? You don't have a mind? So you guys can chew on that one. Okay, let's stop there. And let's have some questions and answers. Okay. Thank you. We can. It has to do with the definition. Question. Lydia, let's go, man. Ready. All right. Thank you so much for that beautiful teaching. We have a couple questions from our audience. All right. The first one is, what makes a seed of illusion one of illusion? What makes a seed of reality one of reality? And what's the difference between a thought and a seed of illusion? This is similar to the question we had yesterday about the child who died in a car accident. And I taught it. And then I went home and I kept thinking about it. Maybe you did too. That's such an important issue. for a yoga teacher. So you all are learning in my class and John's class and other classes, you are supposed to be learning how to be a yoga teacher. But this big moral question comes up, you know, how, how much truth can you tell someone? Is there, is there a point in a student's development when it would hurt them to tell them the whole truth? And the answer is obviously yes. and the proof of it is what uh the proof of it is is that the buddha decided to give partial or even partially incorrect teachings to lower students to lower levels who weren't ready for the whole thing okay and that's why we have mind only school that's why we have amigama You know, that's why we have the Pramana teachings. Okay. So, but it was bothering me, you know, you know, when I was going home, I was just thinking about it. You know, it's so hard when people come to you and say, well, why, why a child died, a friend of ours, 14 years old, near here, a few weeks ago. And his mother is a close friend. And he saw on the internet that it's a good way to get high is to put a rubber rope around your neck and then release it after you choke for a while. And he saw this on the internet and he tried it and he blacked out and he died. He couldn't take the rubber rope off his neck and he died. And, you know, tell that to his mom. You know, why does a child die? And the point is, there's a seed. The child made a seed. Nobody can make a seed for you. So when you start talking about the seeds for... What are the seeds for the sunglasses? What are the seeds for the sunglasses? That's why he makes the distinction between Abidya and Asmita and Abhinivesha. this, who put the scenes in your mind for misunderstanding things. And we say they've been there forever, for time with no beginning. And then the mind, due to your other scenes, balks at that idea. The mind's like, no, no, that's got to be wrong. And you're like, why does it got to be wrong? Well, it's just weird, you know, like I've always had the sunglasses on and I didn't know I had the sunglasses on and having the sunglasses on keeps me from seeing that I have the sunglasses on? It's too weird, Geshe-la. That means I've been alive forever. And that means I've been messed up forever. And yeah, that's true. But Geshe-la, there should have been a start. No, thinking there's a start is sunglasses. Thinking it started on some day is necessarily a stupid idea. Why? Because nothing happens without a cause. Get it? There can't be a beginning of the sunglasses. Why? Because when you got the sunglasses on, somebody had to make the sunglasses. I mean, come on. Got it? It's not illogical to believe it had no beginning. it's completely illogical to think it had a beginning that's a sick state of mind that's an incredibly stupid kind of mind to think you could have a thought from nothing okay that's a really bad idea okay got it? so yeah when you talk about the seeds for the sunglasses there are you've always had the seeds And to think they started somewhere is, once someone says it to you once, you get it, okay? Come on, that's such a stupid idea. Big bang, you know, what triggered the big bang? Nothing. But everything has a cause, right? Yeah. You know, I just want to admit this physicist, you know, go take a break. Okay. Yeah. So the nasty thing about the sunglasses is that if you have them on, you must have had them on before. Got it? Okay. You have to have them on to put them on. Okay. Next question. Thank you very much. The next question is about the time gap. Now we have kind of four questions here, so I'll list them all four. And then if I need to repeat, I can. So in general, it says, how long does it take karma to ripen? Since karma takes time to ripen and time comes from karma, is time a very important seed that we need to purify? Does our relationship with time change the more we practice yoga? Since karma ripens in a fraction of a second, couldn't it be possible to shift the karma by the evening? Yeah, okay, good. Wow. I don't remember all the questions, but I'll talk about the ones I do remember. So the next DCI event, am I allowed to talk about it? The next event of a big company which teaches these ideas. I think legally I'm not allowed to talk about this. You're a nonprofit or are you for profit? Yeah, I'm not. Are you for profit or non-profit? Yeah, I'm not allowed to identify the source, but there is a program going on. It's a conflict urgence for me to, legally for me to talk about. So anyway, there is a program going on by a big company. And the next one is called Time Management and the Inner Conversation. I don't know when it takes some time in the next few months but uh the whole the whole and then people asked me you know guess couldn't you write a more interesting DCI level you know it just seems kind of boring time management you you never teach normal things but and everyone teaches time management so isn't that kind of out of character you know Are you getting old or something? And the answer is yes, I am, but not that old. So anyway, yeah, time management from this point of view becomes something truly amazing and wonderful. And the principle, you know, I told you many times, it goes back to outdoor movie theaters in Arizona. So one of the best things, I know Guadalajara has the constant 70 degrees Fahrenheit weather the whole year. It's the only city in the world. I lived there if I could. That's the same temperature. But Arizona, it gets hot. But there's a good part of that, which is that in the evening, it's pleasant. And we used to go to movies in cars. So you drive to a big parking lot. And if your mom has a station wagon, which my mom did, because she had four boys, that's the only way to drive them around, right? You got to put some in the backpack. We called it the backpack. Then you put some in the back and then you put some in the front. And it's also cheaper. My mom had no money and she was a school teacher. So we had no money at all. We often had trouble, you know, getting enough food and stuff. So anyway, so we, she would take us to the movies in the car because you pay per car. You don't pay per person. So how many kids you can get in the car, it's cheaper. So anyway, I got used to going to outdoor movies. The speaker never quite works. You know, you have to lean on the window. and it's all complicated but living in a city where you spent when you went to the movies in the car had great advantages in high school okay because without getting in trouble you could invite your girlfriend to go to the movies in the car and if you had a station wagon it increased the possibilities immensely if you had a volkswagen you're in trouble because it also has a birth control stick in the front that's the gear shift it makes everything difficult you got to be a yogi to go to the movies in a book anyway now you know why i really study yoga okay but uh why am i talking about that i still remember why i'm talking about that uh so i had this experience you probably had this experience we we me and veronica 50 years ago we went to the movies in a in a in my mom's uh station she said be home by 10 right and mrs hancock who were taking care of this week uh said i expect my daughter home by 10 you know and uh so we were went to the movies and uh and then suddenly there's this banging on the window this metal banging on the window and and we were like jump up you know and there's a policeman uh banging on the window with a flashlight and we're like you know roll down the window yes sir you know is everything all right he says you know listen kids the movie ended three hours ago and we look around there's one car instead of 200 cars there's one car which is us you know the whole place is empty it's all dark the movie finished hours ago it's like 12 o'clock oh my god and he said I said well officer we didn't do anything of course and he's like he's like sorry he's like could you just leave so I can lock up the place so why am I talking about that yeah you can time is empty and time is experienced at different speeds okay and and uh Einstein proved that do I have time no Einstein said if light has any mass at all then because of Newton's gravity then when light is moving in a in a pan and it gets to next to something big mass massive then it should bend towards that object. He predicted it. By the way, all of Einstein's stuff was produced outside the laboratory. His greatest work in 1905 was sitting in the patent office in Switzerland, and he just did it all in his head. And he said, in theory, we should be able to confirm that light bends when it gets close to something big. And he said, if you could get a planet to go close to the sun and then pop out from behind the sun, the time it takes the light to get to you, it should be delayed. There should be a small delay because it takes longer to go in a curve than to go directly. So there should be a tiny delay. And they confirmed it with Mercury. So the first smallest planet came out from behind the sun. They timed the orbit. They know how long it's supposed to take. And it's always late. Mercury is always late. Okay. By milliseconds, it's late. And it's provable. And they confirmed it. And time. So think about it. You just traveled to the past. When you watch Mercury coming out from behind the sun, what you see happened already. Got it? You're seeing the light that bounced off Mercury five minutes ago. It's late. It's late coming to your eye because it had to bend. It takes longer to take a detour home from Sedona than to go directly. If you see Mercury late, you're looking at the past. You're looking into the past. You are time traveling when you see Mercury. And when Connie looks at me, you're also time traveling. What you see happened a couple of milliseconds ago. Got it? Light means that the fact that light has mass means that time physically, even according to physics, okay? you are living you are time traveling right now you are time traveling okay and which means that time is not absolute it's all relative general theory of relativity okay so guess what does that mean it means that time has emptiness and you're correct the person I asked the question it's correct if you planted the right seeds you could manipulate time And DCI course 11 is all about manipulating time with seeds. So you have more time to do more stuff and you don't feel stressed out. Okay. And I use it. I personally use it and it's cool. Okay. You can, time is coming from seeds. Does that mean the time it takes seeds to open should be adjustable? And yeah, that's true. and under special conditions of bending of light, massive body next to a tiny body. If this massive sun is a powerful good karma, then the little karma would be bendable. Okay? And you could, in theory, like if you saw emptiness directly, that seed is so much like the mass of the sun. that you could mess with time. Okay. All right. We got to stop there. I think I'm late as usual. Sorry, John. Okay. Let's go. See you guys. We have a two-day break. Yes. Okay. See you guys after two days. Thank you very much, Geshe-la. Yes.